“Turn back at my reproof, lo, I pour forth to you my spirit, I make known my words with you.” (Prov. 1:23, YLT)
God’s poetry defines his synonyms and metaphors. They are usually couplets having two parts or lines. The first line or half of the couplet is repeated in different words in the second half. Thereby actions and objects are made equal to each other.
In Prov. 1:23, “pour forth” becomes “make known” and “my spirit” becomes “my words” in the second half. Therefore, God’s spirit equals God’s words, and pouring forth equals making known, or we could say revealing.
When God poured forth His Holy Spirit upon His prophets (messengers), He was putting His words directly into their minds, revealing to them His mind, which then poured out through the prophet’s mouths. They were God’s megaphone, His messengers.
“20this first knowing, that no prophecy of the Writing doth come of private exposition, 21for not by will of man did ever prophecy come, but by the Holy Spirit borne on holy men of God spake.” (2 Pet. 1:23, YLT)
The purpose of the Holy Spirit was always moving the men of God, His messengers to speak God’s words, to reveal God’s mind to the people. The Holy Spirit provides the Holy words of God, the mind of God.
“8the Spirit where he willeth doth blow, and his voice thou dost hear, but thou hast not known whence he cometh, and whither he goeth; thus is every one who hath been born of the Spirit.’
9Nicodemus answered and said to him, `How are these things able to happen?’
10Jesus answered and said to him, `Thou art the teacher of Israel — and these things thou dost not know! 11`Verily, verily, I say to thee — What we have known we speak, and what we have seen we testify, and our testimony ye do not receive;” (John 3:8-11, YLT)
The prophets of old were moved by the Holy Spirit to speak of what they heard and saw, to testify of both the words and the visions to the people.
“2In the fifth of the month — it is the fifth year of the removal of the king Jehoiachin – 3hath the word of Jehovah certainly been unto Ezekiel son of Buzi the priest, in the land of the Chaldeans, by the river Chebar, and there is on him there a hand of Jehovah.” (Ezek. 1:2-3, YLT)
God’s Spirit came upon Ezekiel from time to time, whenever He willed the time to be right. Ezekiel was a messenger, but the Holy Spirit was not always active at every moment of Ezekiel’s life. The Holy Spirit moved Ezekiel to speak God’s words whenever the Spirit willed it. “The Spirit where he willeth doth blow…”
Ezekiel was not the only prophet or messenger whom God sent during the Babylonian captivity. Jeremeiah (about 647 – 580 BC), Hulda (about 642 BC), Habakuk (about 628 – 617 BC), Daniel (taken to Babylon about 617 BC, along with Ezekiel), Obadiah (probably 586 BC at the time of Jerusalem’s destruction); all these were God’s messengers and prophets with Ezekiel in different places and times during that period.
So, let’s consider this question for a moment: did being filled with the Holy Spirit mean that the Holy Spirit occupied the prophet’s body? What does being “filled with the Holy Spirit” mean?
“9Jesus saith to him, `So long time am I with you, and thou hast not known me, Philip? he who hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how dost thou say, Shew to us the Father?
10Believest thou not that I [am] in the Father, and the Father is in me? the sayings that I speak to you, from myself I speak not, and the Father who is abiding in me, Himself doth the works;” (John 14:9-10, YLT)
“and be not conformed to this age, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, for your proving what [is] the will of God — the good, and acceptable, and perfect.” (Rom. 12:2, YLT)
“5For, let this mind be in you that [is] also in Christ Jesus,…” (Phil. 2:5, YLT)
“And finally, being all of one mind, having fellow-feeling, loving as brethren, compassionate, courteous,” (1 Pet. 3:8 YLT)
How do we have the same mind that was in Christ Jesus?
“7now they have known that all things, as many as Thou hast given to me, are from Thee, 8because the sayings that Thou hast given to me, I have given to them, and they themselves received, and have known truly, that from Thee I came forth, and they did believe that Thou didst send me.” (John 17: 7-8, YLT)
“20`And not in regard to these alone do I ask, but also in regard to those who shall be believing, through their word, in me; 21that they all may be one, as Thou Father [art] in me, and I in Thee; that they also in us may be one, that the world may believe that Thou didst send me.” (John 17: 20-21, YLT)
“10but to us did God reveal [them] through His Spirit, for the Spirit all things doth search, even the depths of God, 11for who of men hath known the things of the man, except the spirit of the man that [is] in him? so also the things of God no one hath known, except the Spirit of God.
12And we the spirit of the world did not receive, but the Spirit that [is] of God, that we may know the things conferred by God on us, 13which things also we speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Holy Spirit, with spiritual things spiritual things comparing,
14and the natural man doth not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for to him they are foolishness, and he is not able to know [them], because spiritually they are discerned; 15and he who is spiritual, doth discern indeed all things, and he himself is by no one discerned;
16for who did know the mind of the Lord that he shall instruct Him? and we — we have the mind of Christ.” (1 Cor. 2:10-16, YLT)
“through their word”…We have the same mind of Christ through Christ’s spirit / words. We know His word because He spoke it, revealed it to us. Revealing equals making known. It is the knowing and abiding in His word that makes us of the same mind of Christ, that makes us one with Christ, and one with the Father.
Being filled with the Spirit = being filled with the word of God. Of the same mind of Christ = doing the will of the Father, abiding in His word.
It is the knowing, having the Spirit, the mind, the word that is revealed from the Father through His Holy Spirit to His messengers, and His Son. Being filled with the Spirit is to be filled with the knowledge, the word, the mind of God’s Spirit.
How do we abide in His word, or His Spirit if we do not know it? How do we know it if we do not read it and study it?
A few more thoughts to explore in the next part (b) of this Part V.
Shredding The Veil 
The Holy Spirit filled the early church so they were able to spread the Word of God that more would believe since they did not yet have the written New Testament? Today we have God’s written word which was inspired by the Holy Spirit. So are you saying believers today are not filled with the Holy Spirit because we have God’s Word? If God’s Word is the Holy Spirit, is it not a person of the Trinity? You said it means breath so is it God’s breath of holiness, not a person?
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Psa 51:11, “Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. (YLT)
This is God’s poetry showing one object from the 1st part of the verse as a different word or phrase in the 2nd part of the verse. “thy presence” becomes “thy holy spirit” in the 2nd part of the verse. The Israelite understood God’s Holy Spirit, the Ruach Hak-Kodesh, as God’s presence and power. They never considered His presence and power as a separate entity or person apart from God. His Holy Spirit is a manifestation of YHVH’s imperceptible power by which He accomplishes His divine will. Essentially, they perceived His Holy Spirit as a synonym for an aspect of God’s power.
The Catholics created the idea of the Trinity, establishing the doctrine of the triune entity of God at the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. The word “trinity” does not appear anywhere in scripture. It is a man-made idea. There are no instances in the scriptures of God speaking with His Spirit, as there are instances of God speaking with Jesus.
God sends His Spirit, His presence and His power. His presence and His power is given to the prophets to speak His words to the people. He put His presence and His power- His Holy Spirit – in the midst of the people (Isa. 63:11). Num. 11:17. Speaking to Moses of the 70 elders, “and I will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them…” See also Num. 11:25. In Num. 11:29, Moses explicitly stated that he wished God would put His spirit upon all of the Lord’s ppl, so that they could all be prophets.
The Holy Spirit of God is not a separate person apart from God, as it goes where God wills it. His Holy Spirit is subordinate to God, and is only bestowed upon whomever God chooses (Isa. 42:1; 44:3; Joel 2:28) His Spirit is not an associate of God, nor coequal to God.
Prov. 1:23, “Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you; I will make known my words unto you.” (YLT)
Again, the poetic nature of the scripture equates “my spirit” with “my words” in the 2nd part. When God pours out His Spirit He is putting His words into the mouths of the prophets, or the messengers, or the apostles, or the disciples. Being filled with the Holy Spirit is to speak the words that God gave them to speak through His power and His presence.
As in the other posts at this blog, we have to deconstruct the ingrained biases with which the institutional churches have indoctrinated the ppl The translators read this Trinity doctrine into the scriptures, changing the words around, or adding other words where they never were in the original texts to support the idea of the Trinity.
Did you know that 1 John 5:7-8 is translated incorrectly? It should read as “7 And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth. 8 There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree.” (RSV) The KJV and other translations have inserted words that were never there, reading it as:
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.” KJV.
See the comments from Barne’s Notes, Bengel’s Gnomen, Cambridge Bible School, Jamieson-Fasset-Brown on 1 John 5:7-8 at BibleHub here: https://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_john/5-7.htm
The translators changed the order of the words in Isa. 48:16 b/c of their belief in the Trinity. They moved “and His spirit” in front of “has sent me” so that the KJV reads as “…and now the Lord God, and His Spirit, hath sent me” when the original reads “…and now the Lord God hast sent me and His Spirit.” (RSV) The original meaning is that God sent both Isaiah and / with His Spirit.
Isaiah’s prophecy of the Redeemer (Christ) equates His Spirit with His words:
21 And I — this [is] My covenant with them, said Jehovah, My Spirit that [is] on thee, And My words that I have put in thy mouth, Depart not from thy mouth, And from the mouth of thy seed, And from the mouth of thy seed’s seed, said Jehovah, From henceforth unto the age! (Isa. 59:21, YLT)
Matt. 12:17-18, “ that it might be fulfilled that was spoken through Isaiah the prophet, saying,`Lo, My servant, whom I did choose, My beloved, in whom My soul did delight, I will put My Spirit upon him, and judgment to the nations he shall declare, (YLT)
God put His Spirit on Jesus so that Jesus could declare, that is speak judgment to the nations. I do not believe that the original scriptures support the idea of a separate entity as the Holy Spirit of the Catholic Trinity.
In the first century AD baptism did not automatically result in the gift of the Holy Spirit, but had to be imparted through the laying on of the hands of the Apostles, or their appointed helpers (such as Timothy). Today, we have God’s Holy Spirit through His words that have been recorded in the Holy Scriptures. Our responsibility is to study His scriptures, explore the original texts as diligently as we can, so that when we speak His words from His scriptures then we can speak as the oracles of God.
I do not discount that God may from time to time put His Spirit upon selected individuals to speak His words of truth when He deems necessary, but the only way we have of knowing the truth that other ppl speak is to compare their words with the recorded written words of God, then why would that be necessary? He has given us everything we need for life and godliness through the knowledge of Him who called us (2 Pet. 1:3). We have that knowledge in His word, which His Holy Spirit, HIs power, HIs divine will has maintained throughout the centuries.
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Gina, I think I understand what you are saying. The doctrine of the trinity is not just a Catholic church doctrine is it? I was in a Bible study several years ago on the Holy Spirit being a person not a thing, then I read some things refuting that and it was confusing. I do not want to support a church who does not believe truth. Their statement of what they believe says:
2. The Trinity
We believe there is one living and true God, eternally existing in three persons, that these are equal in every divine perfection, and that they execute distinct but harmonious offices in the work of creation, providence and redemption.
3. God the Father
We believe in God, the Father, an infinite, personal spirit, perfect in holiness, wisdom, power and love. We believe that He concerns Himself mercifully in the affairs of each person, that He hears and answers prayer, and that He saves from sin and death all who come to Him through Jesus Christ.
4. Jesus Christ
We believe in Jesus Christ, God’s only begotten Son, conceived by the Holy Spirit. We believe in His virgin birth, sinless life, miracles and teachings. We believe in His substitutionary atoning death, bodily resurrection, ascension into heaven, perpetual intercession for His people, and personal visible return to earth.
5. The Holy Spirit
We believe in the Holy Spirit who came forth from the Father and Son to convict the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment, and to regenerate, sanctify, and empower all who believe in Jesus Christ. We believe that the Holy Spirit indwells every believer in Christ, and that He is an abiding helper, teacher and guide.
6. Regeneration
We believe that all people are sinners by nature and by choice and are, therefore, under condemnation. We believe that those who repent of their sins and trust in Jesus Christ as Savior are regenerated by the Holy Spirit.
To me it says they believe the Holy Spirit is a person of the trinity and believers are filled with the Spirit today. So this would be false doctrine according to scripture?
In rereading this, I just noticed they believe there will be a personal visible return of Christ to earth. After reading your posts on the return of Christ in judgement in 70 AD, this statement would be false, correct?
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Ann, I am sure that somewhere on this earth there must be a congregation of Christians who teach most of the truth of God’s word, and who really will stay with the word of God no matter what taught biases and presuppositions others espouse. However, in my many years of attending “church” I have not found one “denominational” church that has all truth. Two of them, churches of Christ and the Baptists still teach the truth of immersion as required for salvation. Even that is a problem with some Baptist churches that teach that it is baptism into the Baptist church., not into Christ. I have heard that the Russian Orthodox church also still practices immersion into Christ.
Most of the others follow some form of the 6th statement of Regeneration you have listed, that a statement of belief is sufficient for salvation. I consider that to be the worst lie of all. The false teachings of the Trinity, and the future visible 2nd coming of Christ at the end of time have infiltrated every one that I have ever attended. Even though I believe the Catholic doctrine of the Trinity is false teaching, I don’t often try to contest their belief in it as I can look around it. The pagan beliefs of fallen angels, and demons have been accepted by most Christians and are not closely examined b/c as with much of God’s word they just will not investigate those ideas analytically.
There are some churches that have accepted the first audience Preterist perspective of the scriptures, but they are few. Those would be the exceptions., and finding them is hard. Even those often adhere to other false teachings. Most of the denominations have twisted much of scripture to accommodate their desired beliefs.
The best that I can say is that the ones that state that immersion is required will at least be teaching how to come into contact with the blood sacrifice of Christ through Peter’s answer in 30-31 AD to those stricken, pierced to the heart people at Pentecost, “…repent, believe, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins…” (Acts 2:38). That statement and command is the basis. If the church will at least teach that, then possibly the other errors might be worked on. (See the post Crossing Over from May 2019; Do You Have to be Baptized to be Saved from Nov 2016; and Lies of the Roman Catholic Church – Part III: Baptism is Not Sprinkling from May 2015)
I wish I could tell you of a totally correct and truthful congregation, but I think that is a pipe dream. And, as people are only human, and many are very lazy, and will not study much, and we are all at different learning levels, we work with what we can. At this stage of my life I find it very difficult to tolerate the futurist 2nd coming teaching b/c in my estimation, it is at its core blasphemy as it denies Jesus’ completed work and His words. Other Preterists do not take such a strong position.
One of my brothers in Christ has, I believe, correctly pointed out that the Preterist view of the scriptures cannot be the end all and be all of the teachings of the church b/c all of God’s word is necessary. This is a very high standard to meet. When called upon, he does his best to teach and preach around the edges, chipping away gradually at the false doctrines to gently open the eyes of those at the congregation he attends. Being a sledge hammer is usually unsuccessful.
So, we contribute to those Preterist teachers and congregations through their web pages in order to promote the truth of God’s word the best we can. I do occasionally disagree with a one or two of their beliefs, but for the most part they are teaching the truth. See BibleProphecy.com for Don Preston; and AllThingsFulfilled.com for William Bell, Jr. You can find others on line by searching the terms “fulfilled eschatology” and “realized eschatology” as well as “Preterism” and “Preterist eschatology.”
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I have a friend who has the gift of tongues. She prayed over me in tongues once. Do you have thoughts on this gift of the Spirit for the christian church today?
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Coming next part (c)….
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