There exists so much evidence of the first century prophecy of Revelation that it is hard to keep narratives brief, and I am unable to make this a short post. I ask that you bear with me, as I have had a difficult time limiting the information.
The previous post, The Whore of Babylon, presented the evidences of the identity of the woman of Revelation 17 & 18 as Jerusalem. The beast that carried her is also identifiable through scripture and secular history. I will include some discussion of historical events around both Rome, and the destruction of Jerusalem. Secular sources for research include Seutonius, Tacitus, Pliny the Elder, Eusebius, and Josephus among others. Their history is rich if one is willing to study.
The time of the Revelation must also be established, as too many readers make the mistake of moving the prophesy out of time and place. Jesus told his disciples that they would not go through all of the cities of Israel before he came again. (Matt. 10:23) Jesus told them that all would be fulfilled in that generation. (Matt. 24:34; Mark 13:30; Luke 21:32) Jesus told them that some would still be living when He returned in His kingdom. (Matt. 16:28; Luke 9:27)
The disciples asked him when “shall these things be” meaning specifically the destruction of the temple which He had just told them would be torn down (Matt 24, Luke 21). Thereby, we know that the things He told them would happen happened before and at the destruction of that temple in A.D. 70. He told the disciples in Luke 21:31 that when they saw all these things to know that the kingdom was at hand. That limits the time frame to the first century A.D, and places the coming of His kingdom in power in the first century A.D, specifically in A.D. 70.
Peter stated in Acts 2:16-17 that what was happening on the day of Pentecost after the crucifixion was that from the prophet Joel, that “in the last days” He would pour forth His Spirit upon the people. Peter proclaimed that the day of Pentecost occurred in the last days, in the first century A.D.
So, the last days identified throughout the New Testament, and prophesied throughout the Old Testament, were when Jesus was manifested on earth, and was crucified, and was raised from the dead, and the Holy Spirit was poured out upon the people, and His church was established, and His kingdom came in power and glory. That special generation that Christ appeared on earth was the end of the old covenant, the last days of the old covenant. See the posts “It’s Not The End of The World… Parts 1 -X” a more complete discussion of these evidences of the time of His coming.
Knowing now the time period of the prophesy was that generation of the first century A.D, and that we are standing on the other side almost 2,000 years later, we need to look at history to see some of the clues.
The woman of Revelation is sitting upon a scarlet colored beast that has seven heads and ten horns. (Rev. 17:3) And, the woman is sitting upon seven heads which are seven mountains. (Rev. 17:9) The beast that carries the woman is not the woman.
The beast of Revelation was knowable in the day that John wrote the book. That means that the beast existed when John wrote the book, otherwise the symbolism would be of no benefit to the first century Christians, who were for the most part converted Jews, and were being warned of things which “must shortly come to pass”. (Rev. 1:1) Shortly, did not mean 2,000 years later!
Rev. 17:7, “ And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.” (KJV, bold emp. mine throughout)
The beast rises up out of the sea. (Rev. 13:1) Rome ruled the Mediterranean Sea by virtue of her armies and navy. Jerusalem, the whore of Babylon, was riding the beast, Rome. Jerusalem was influencing her military occupiers. They were in collusion, and for a time, were cooperating for a common economic and political goal.
Rev. 13:2, “And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.“
There is a multitude of symbolism in this verse, but note that the standard bearers of the Roman Legions often wore the skins of leopards, bears, and lions. The beast of Revelation is the Roman Empire of the first century A.D. And, it is the Roman Empire of the first century A.D. which was the 4th empire of Daniel’s dream. (Dan. 2) The first was Babylon, overtaken by Cyrus the Great in 539 BC; the second was Mede-Persia, overtaken by Alexander the Great 334 & 330 BC; the 3rd was the Greco-Macedonia empire, which was overtaken in 188 BC by Rome. See recommended reading at Note 3 below.
Because Daniel 2 stated that Christ’s kingdom would be established in the days of those kings of the 4th empire (Dan. 2:44), then we know that as Christ appeared on earth, was sacrificed, rose again the 3rd day, established His church on the day of Pentecost, and His kingdom in the first century A.D, the 4th empire had to be the one that existed when He established His church and His kingdom in the first century A.D. The 4th empire of Daniel 2 was the Roman empire of Christ’s day.
Rev. 17:10, “And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.“
The Caesars were the rulers and emperors of Rome at the time John wrote Revelation, and were therefore “kings”. Seven “kings” are mentioned in verse 10. Five were fallen: the first of the Roman empire was Julius Caesar; then Augustus; Tiberius; Caius (or Caligula); and Claudius. The sixth emperor was…Nero. He was ruling at the time John wrote Revelation. Nero reigned from 54 A.D. to June 68 A.D.
The seventh king of Rev. 17:10 had not yet come when John wrote Revelation, and he would only rule a short time. The seventh was Galba who assumed power upon Nero’s death and ruled six months from mid – June 68 A.D. to Jan. 69 A.D. Therefore, John had to have written Revelation before June 68 A.D.
After Galba, came Otho, and Vitellius, all three within the space of one year. Vespasian was the tenth Caesar of Rome, or the tenth horn of Rev. 17:3.
The death of Nero was the end of the Julian line of emperors of Rome. There was turmoil immediately following in civil wars between Galba, Otho and Vitellius with such destruction that horrified the world at that time. Rome and Italy suffered famines, earthquakes, and pestilence (disease). The destruction was so terrible that it left Rome in ruins. Tacitus’ account of the ruin that befell Rome almost describes the horror of the destruction of Jerusalem. Josephus records that “heavy calamities came about Rome on all sides”. He records that General Vespasian had to abandon the Judean wars and return to Rome to fight for the stability of the empire.
So the Roman empire (the beast) was mortally wounded with Nero’s death, suffered near ruin “going down into the abyss”, and was revived under Vespasian. (Rev. 13:3, Rev. 13:12, Rev. 17:8) Once Vespasian held control, he became the head of the beast, and the tenth king, or tenth horn.
Vespasian then sent his son Titus out as General to end the war with Judea, and Titus becomes the mouth of the beast. (Rev. 13:5) Titus declared great blasphemies against God, and stated his intention to destroy the temple at Jerusalem. It was Titus that oversaw the destruction of Jerusalem with the burning firebrands. Titus, therefore, was the one who “maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth…“. (Rev. 13:13).
In God’s figurative prophetic language “heaven” was a ruler or ruling nation, and the “earth” was a symbol for land or the dwelling place of the people, and most often was Israel. So, Revelation 13:13 was Rome (heaven) sending fire upon Israel (earth) under Titus’ command. Titus commanded the 12th Legion whose symbol was the lightning bolt…”fire …from heaven“.
Vespasian and Titus (both pronounced Caesars) conducted the final war against Israel over a 42 month period, from March A.D. 67 to Sept. A.D. 70 when Jerusalem fell. Rabbinic tradition confirms this 42 month assault. Forty-two (42) months is 3-1/2 years, or 1260 days. (Rev. 11:2, Rev. 13:5)
Titus surrounded Jerusalem on the day of the feast of the Passover, the anniversary of the day of our Lord’s death. All of the “strangers” and foreigners had come to Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover. Understand, these were the people of the communities of Israelites of the dispersion that still gave allegiance to the Sanhedrin and Jerusalem. Josephus calculated almost 2-million people were in the city. Their continued celebration of the feast of the Passover was a denial of the sacrifice of Christ as that once and forever sacrificial lamb slain from the foundation of the world meant for all. It was blasphemy!
The siege of Jerusalem was sudden, and encompassed all those who had come into the city from the surrounding areas. (Matt 24:27-30, Luke 21:35.)
Luke 21:22, “ For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.”
Titus fully intended to destroy the temple at Jerusalem, and thus God’s dwelling place which he and his father viewed as a threat to their “divinity” as emperors of Rome, and to then destroy all branches of the Jews, namely the Christians. The destruction of Jerusalem was horrible, reaching its pinnacle with mothers killing and eating their own children to survive, and the Romans wading through the blood in the streets.
So, during the interim after the death of Nero, and the resumption under Vespasian, there was a lull of the war in Judea of 12 months, or the year of 4 emperors. It was at this time that the Christians fled Jerusalem to Pella. After the destruction of Jerusalem, Vespasian ordered that all descendants of King David be searched out and killed so that no one of the Messianic line would dispute Vespasian’s authority as emperor. Thus, the power of Rev. 13:7 to make war with the saints.
Rome was the beast that carried the woman. The ruler of Rome at the time Revelation was written was Nero. It was Nero who began the worst persecution in history of the saints, and it was Nero who was the man John numbered 666.
Rev. 13:18, ” Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.“ (KJV)
Present tense of the verb, “is”, as written by John in the first century A.D. And, it is the number of a man! Not an organization, not a church, not a nation. But the number of a man!
The number 666 was used to conceal the name of the man that was in power and ruling at the time John wrote Revelation (A.D. 66 -68), so as to protect the readers of the book who were suffering his extreme persecution. John could not be forthright and name Nero for fear of further drawing his anger. The numbering method used to signify the name was a common practice of the day for numbering letters of a name. It was used in both the Greek and Hebrew languages.
But, the Jewish Christian, and indeed all Jews, thought and wrote the name of Nero in Hebrew. Their language was Hebrew, so the symbol was to the Hebrew spelling, “Neron Kesar.” Only the consonants carried the numeric value. Vowels were not included or numbered.
Rendered in the English (as I don’t have a Hebrew keyboard), NRWN QSR:
N = 50; R = 200; W = 6; N = 50; Q = 100; S= 60; R = 200…. for a total of 666.
In the Aramaic, RSQ NWRN:
R = 200; S = 60; Q = 100; N = 50; W = 6; R = 200; N = 50…. for a total of 666.
Nero Caesar was THE antichrist of Revelation. There were and are many antichrists, as anyone who denies Christ is an antichrist. But, the one numbered by John, whom he was warning the persecuted Christians about in the first century A.D. was Nero.
“Foremost in the rank of those emperors, on whom the church looks back with horror as her persecutors, stands Nero, a prince whose conduct towards the Christians admits of no palliation, but was to the last degree unprincipled and inhuman. The dreadful persecution which took place by order of this tyrant, commenced at Rome about the middle of November, in the year of our Lord 64. . . . This dreadful persecution ceased but with the death of Nero. The empire, it is well known, was not delivered from the tyranny of this monster until the year 68, when he put an end to his own life.” (L. von Mosheim, Historical Commentaries, I:138,139).
Apollinius of Tyana, a contemporary of Nero, wrote, “In my travels, which have been wider than ever man yet accomplished, I have seen many, many wild beasts of Arabia and India; but this beast, that is commonly called a Tyrant, I know not how many heads it has, nor if it be crooked of claw, and armed with horrible fangs. . . . And of wild beasts you cannot say that they were ever known to eat their own mother, but Nero has gorged himself on this diet.” (bold emp. mine)
“Nero was the first of the emperors who showed himself an enemy of the divine religion.” Eusebius.
Pliny the Elder called Nero “the destroyer of the human race” and “the poison of the world.”
Nero killed by the sword and died by the sword. Seutonius stated that he “drove a dagger into his throat, aided by Epaphroditus, his private secretary.”
Rev. 13:10, “ He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.”
Nero was commonly called a beast. He murdered almost everyone close to him, including his mother, his aunt, his wife Poppaea, and his relatives by marriage. Tacitius records Nero’s persecution of the Christians…
“And their death was aggravated with mockeries, insomuch that, wrapped in the hides of wild beasts, they were torn to pieces by dogs, or fastened to crosses to be set on fire, that when the darkness fell they might be burned to illuminate the night.”
The Christians were crucified, beheaded, burnt alive, and used as torches to light Nero’s garden parties.
Nero began his persecutions of the Christians in 64 A.D., and it lasted until his death in June 68 A.D. A period of 42 months, or 3-1/2 years. This began the great tribulation of Daniel 12. Jesus told the disciples in Matt 24:15-21 citing Daniel and specifically stating,
“For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” (Matt 24:21)
“…and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:….” Dan. 12:1
Jesus was answering the disciples’ question in Matt. 24 of when the temple was going to be torn down. His citing of Daniel 12 makes the link clear. The great tribulation was the persecution of the saints and lasted approx. 6 years, from mid Nov. A.D. 64 to the destruction of Jerusalem in Sep. A.D. 70. (70 weeks, Dan. 9:24-27) At which time the sacrifices and the oblations ceased.
Rev. 7:14, “….These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”
The sealed of Rev. 7 were those washed in the blood of the Lamb that had come out of the persecution of the great tribulation; they were those converted to Christ, and had been severely persecuted by the Jews and Romans.
Vespasian would revive the beast and finish the war against the woman, whom they hated, which was Jerusalem. (Rev. 17:16, Je 50:41, Ez. 16:37)
The woman, who was carried by the beast, also sits upon seven mountains. (Rev. 17:9)
Ancient Jerusalem was built upon seven (7) hills: Mount Zion, Mount Ophel, Mount Moriah, Mount Bezetha, Mount Acra, Mount Gareb, and Mount Goath.
While Rome was built upon seven hills, where Romulus and Remus deliberately chose an area of the Tibur River because of the universally understood symbolic perfection of the number 7, so was Jerusalem known as the “City of Seven Hills”.
Jerusalem was the center of the Jewish world, and all of the Jewish communities throughout the Roman empire sent their tribute annually to Jerusalem. The Jewish communities all gave their allegiance to the Sanhedrin Council in Jerusalem. Thus, Jerusalem had “dominion over the kings of the earth.” (Rev. 17:18)
The words “great city” in the Greek in Rev. 11:8 in which our Lord was crucified, which was Jerusalem, are the same words used in Rev. 16:19 where “God remembered great Babylon”, and in Rev. 17:18 which had “dominion over the kings of the earth”, and in Rev. 18:10, “thou great city, thou mighty city, Babylon!”, and in Rev. 18:18, “What city was like the great city?”, and in Rev. 18:19, “Alas, alas, for the great city where all who had ships at sea…”, and in Rev. 18:21, “…so shall Babylon, the great city be thrown down with violence…”
The city that was thrown down was Jerusalem. Jerusalem was the harlot, and was referred to as Sodom, Egypt, and Babylon. (Jer. Ch 3; Jer. 23:14; Ez. Ch.16) All of the references to the great city are references to Jerusalem. The great tribulation of Daniel 12, is the same great tribulation which Jesus warned his disciples they would have to endure in Matt. 24. The destruction of Jerusalem were the days of vengeance. (Luke 21:22)
The destruction of Jerusalem marked the end of the nation of Israel, and the finality of the old covenant.
The Jews had used their influence with Rome and colluded with the beast to remove a troubling matter that threatened their economic and political power, the Messiah and the Christians. They stirred up Rome to perform the crucifixion of Christ, and they stirred up Rome to persecute the Christians. God, in vengeance and judgment, then used the Romans to destroy Jerusalem. Ironic, isn’t it? Rome was the beast, and the tool and messengers from God. (Rev. 17:17)
The book of Revelation was written to the Christians of the first century A.D. as a warning of the destruction of Jerusalem and encouragement to persevere through that time of great tribulation. It is a book concerning the covenant city of God, one who was once married to God, and became unfaithful, became a harlot turning her back on God. (Ez. 16:36-41)
Rome was never a covenant city of God! Rome was never in a covenant relationship with God, and thus cannot be considered as the harlot woman of Revelation 17 & 18. Jesus was not crucified in Rome. He was crucified in Jerusalem. Rev. 11:8 identifies the great city as the city where Jesus was crucified.
There is much more evidence from both within the scriptures and from secular history that the beast of Revelation was the Roman empire of the 1st century A.D., and specifically Nero. Time and space prevents me from including all of it here. Please see the recommended readings below, and my other posts.
Revelation was the prophesy to the first century Christians of the then future destruction of Jerusalem, and the 2nd coming of Christ in A.D. 70 to fully remove the temple worship of the old covenant, and to establish forever His spiritual kingdom. It serves as an example for all generations that God will judge all those who turn their backs on Him. As He continues to rule today from the right hand of God, He continues to come in judgment against the nations who sin against Him.
I am certain that the world faces the wrath of God today. There are some humanly devised parallel events that exist today, and have existed throughout history, but the immediate prophesy of Revelation was to the first century Christians.
Recommended reading:
Shredding The Veil 
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Here are some of my writings on NT prophecies. In summary my model is different than other “preterists”, and I would not label myself as such. My model is -Rev 1-12, Mathew 24, 25, the second coming, the rapture, great tribulation all happened first century AD. Revelation 13 has yet to happen, and is describing modern Israel or more specifically what it will evolve into in the future. Mystery Babylon is physical Jerusalem but not 70 AD- it is another coming judgement once Israel/Jerusalem reaches world power, issues the mark of the beast, and Jerusalem is capital of the world. Bigger than NY or Hong Kong or London or another world city. Also the great white throne room judgement in Revelation was not the second coming in the first century they are two different things. So there is at least a 2000 year gap between Rev 12, and Rev 13. 2 Thes 2 / the man of sin had to happen before 70 AD, and may have been Nero.
Revelation 13 18 This calls for *wisdom*. Let the person who has *insight* calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[e] That number is 666.
1 kings 10
14 The weight of the gold that Solomon received yearly was 666 talents,
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The weight of the gold that Solomon received yearly was 666 talents,
Solomons throne
1 kings 10 19
Additionally, the king made a great throne of ivory and overlaid it with pure gold. 19The throne had six steps, and its back had a rounded top. There were armrests on both sides of the seat, with a lion standing beside each armrest. 20Twelve lions stood on the six steps, one at either end of each step
6 lions on one side, then 6 steps, then another 6 lions.
1 Kings 4:29-34
29 God gave Solomon *wisdom* and very great *insight*, and a breadth of understanding as measureless as the sand on the seashore. 30 Solomon’s wisdom was greater than the wisdom of all the people of the East, and greater than all the wisdom of Egypt. 31 He was wiser than anyone else, including Ethan the Ezrahite—wiser than Heman, Kalkol and Darda, the sons of Mahol. And his fame spread to all the surrounding nations. 32 He spoke three thousand proverbs and his songs numbered a thousand and five. 33 He spoke about plant life, from the cedar of Lebanon to the hyssop that grows out of walls. He also spoke about animals and birds, reptiles and fish. 34 From all nations people came to listen to Solomon’s wisdom, sent by all the kings of the world, who had heard of his wisdom.[a]
Therefore the 666 in Rev 13 is a reference back to king Solomon from the OT, and the prophecy is saying a “beast” (king or kingdom) would arise in the future from when Revelation was written (somewhere between 40-66 AD) that would have properties of king Solomon. King Solomon- ruled on Palestine, built a temple, Davids offspring, went apostate which is why the kingdom split in two, and was the greatest person in the OT according to Jesus “behold one greater than Solomon is here”.
The religion of modern rabbinic Judaism- people that call themselves Jews but lie they are the synagogue of satan believes they have a messiah figure coming that will rule from Palestine, build a temple (God miraculously stopped Julian the apostate building a temple in Jerusalem so a temple will probably never be built there), set up sanhedrin law courts everywhere, and force everyone to convert to the “noahide laws” (from the talmud – not from the OT), and if they don’t they will get their head chopped off. One of he laws is no idolatry, and they consider it idolatrous to believe a human being can be God aka Jesus/Christianity. Symbols represent things like the cross represents Jesus/Christianity, and the 6 pointed star on their flag is called the “star of David” by themselves because it represents their messiah they think will be a star of David just like Solomon was. It is also called the star of Solomon. Christians have a different star of David. Rev 22 16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” The 6 pointed star is on the Leningrad codex from 1000 AD, and on early Christian era synagogues also so they have been using it for at least 1700 years or so.
The word Jew in the OT does not occur until 10 books in in 2 kings 16 6. It means Judean- living in the southern kingdom of Judah or of the religion of the Judeans which was Moses religion.The Persians converted at one point ” they became Jews” but they were not necessarily living in Judah so in that context it means of the religion of the Judeans. In NT it means living in Judea/ of the religion of those people with the different sects at the time. Peter was a Galilean but a “Jew” so again in that context it means of the religion of the Judeans. Paul was a “Jew” but from the tribe of Benjamin so no it does not mean genealogically descended from Judah although a lot of the Judeans would of been. Peter followed the actual OT while Paul followed the pharasiac form of it. The oral tradition on which the talmud is based on is mentioned in Mark 7 (traditions of the elders that make the word of God aka the law of Moses at the time of none effect therefore modern rabbinic Judaism is not based on Moses), and mentioned by Josephus about 120 BC. Jesus is called a Jew/Judean three times once by the wise men, once the Samaratan woman, once on the cross. He was a “Jew” meaning he followed the letter of the law of Moses but also gave the correct spiritual letter of the law interpretation of it which the pharisees did not like, born in Judea, killed in Judea, rose from the dead in Judea, but he did not have the same religion as the pharisees which the religion of modern rabbinic Judaism traces back to.
The word Jew is only used in the NT in reference to the OT religion. It lost all meaning 2000 years ago. Same with gentile/Israel/Judaism. Romans 2 28 is to help the old covenant Jews adapt to the new covenant. The last book of the NT written- Revelation- explains there are people using the old covenant identity- but they are lying- they are the synagogue of satan- this is rabbinic Judaism/ the oral torah. There is no evidence of an oral torah in the OT except sometimes when the israelites went evil, and started their own religions someone could argue their was an oral tradition passed on then but the righteous Israelites that wrote the OT did not follow an oral torah. The problem comes when using the word “Jew” to refer to both the OT people/religion but also the people/religion in the Christian era that self identify as such because they are two different things one being the synagogue of satan.
The remnant in Romans was alive “at this time” aka first century AD. It makes sense it was the first 144 000 in Revelation 7 as that focuses on genealogy.
Ephesians 1, romans 8, and another time predestination appears it says “first fruits” or “we who were the first to put our faith in him” or ” first fruits of the holy spirit” so that’s why it was only them, and doesn’t apply to today. Calvinism appeals to someone’s pride. The bible says “do not think to highly of yourselves”, and that was written to the first century AD Christians some of which had seen Jesus risen from the dead, all his miracles, and even done miracles themselves!
Revelation 1-12, Mathew 24-25 (great tribulation, rapture, second coming, and a judgement but not great white throne room judgement later on in revelation which has not happened yet) all happened in the first century AD. Revelation 13 has not happened yet. There is a 2000 year gap between Rev 12, and 13.
A few quotes from Maimonides one of the most revered rabbis in rabbinic Judaism, and someone who is considered an authority on the messiah in rabbinic Judaism.
Laws of kings, and their wars free online e book.
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“It has already been explained that Noachides are always executed by decapitation except in cases when one engages in relations with the wife of a Jew or a consecrated maiden. In the latter instance, he is stoned to death.”
Revelation 20 4 And I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast, nor his image, nor had received his mark upon their foreheads or on their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
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In the future, the Messianic king will arise and renew the Davidic dynasty, restoring it to its initial sovereignty. He will build the Temple and gather the dispersed of Israel.
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A gentile who studies the Torah is obligated to die. They should only be involved in the study of their seven mitzvot.”
“A Noachide is executed for every type of foreign worship which a Jewish court would consider worthy of capital punishment. However, a Noachide is not executed for a type of foreign worship which a Jewish court would not deem worthy of capital punishment. Nevertheless, even though a Noachide will not be executed for these forms of worship, he is forbidden to engage in all of them.”
A couple of youtube videos about modern Israel:
Yossi Gurvitz: When Israel Is Mighty
and
Israel’s Far Right Government is a Gift to Settlers
9:13 “But if someone doesn’t recognize us, and keeps using terror, and violence towards Jews his head needs to be chopped off, right away with no hesitation. No compromises. It doesn’t matter if it a million or a billion people”.
The woman giving birth in Revelation 12 is old covenant Israel (Genesis 37- Josephs dream) giving birth to Jesus. The heads/horns/crowns in Rev 12 are a reference to the Herodian dynasty which ruled different parts of Palestine in the first century AD. The dragon trying to kill the baby is Herod the greats decree to kill all the firstborn to get rid of Jesus. The woman fleeing into the wilderness the first time in Rev 12 is Joseph/Mary/Jesus fleeing to egypt to escape Herod. The war that breaks out in heaven is not the pre sin fall of satan in Genesis-it is a first century AD war that erupts due to Jesus being born. Until that the devil can roam back, and forth on earth, and also go up to heaven as implied in the book of Job. He had been in heaven accusing OT / BC saints like he did with Job “He only worships you because you put a hedge around him with money/health/family etc. Take it all away, and he will curse you”. He had also been accusing NT saints that had been killed for their belief in Jesus. The devil is angry now since Jesus due to the new covenant being for the whole world, and someone is saved by grace through faith, and not works of the law which was a lot harder. The second time the woman flees to the wilderness it is the flight to Pella/ Perea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_to_Pella
The myth that Christian zionists have about God taking 2/3 of modern “Jews” (Revelation 2 9 and 3 9 is their biblical spiritual identity) to Petra (not mentioned anywhere in the bible) may have it’s roots in the historical event of the flight to Pella.
So all of Rev 12 happened first century AD. As did Rev 1-11. Rev 13 has yet to happen.
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Sam, thank you for reading the posts. Your comments are too long and require some space to deal with in depth. Can we discuss between us?
I have read similar positions taken by others, and I cannot agree with your major premise that there is a 2,000 year gap between Rev. 12 and Rev. 13. For what purpose? To accommodate what end? The supposed beliefs of the “Jews” who did not recognize their promised Messiah, and which false belief has been picked up by ppl who claim to be Jews today and have twisted God’s word to suit a political agenda for a one-world government they want to run out of Jerusalem, a Rothschild created city that came into being in 1948 through their plots and schemes?
I would ask you to please keep reading. Revelation is set forth in the first chapter and the last chapter with time markers that book end all the things of that vision Christ gave to John. Things which must shortly come to pass. That timing includes all of the vision, not part of it. Chap. 12 is a flash back for John to the first events of the “fullness of time” (Gal. 4:4) for the “end of the ages” (1 Cor. 10:11, heb. 9:26) that had come upon those of the 1st century AD. That end does not allow for another end of the ages some 2,000 years into the future.
That “end” was prophesied to Daniel and directly answered – 490 years to the destruction / desolation of Jerusalem (Dan. 9:24). Not, 2,490 years, not 3,490 years, but 490 years. And again in Dan. 12:6-13, the angel told Daniel 1260 days from the time the daily sacrifice would end. How long has that been now since the daily sacrifice at that temple in Jerusalem ended? A temple which was destroyed in AD 70, and no longer exists?
The man of sin of 2 Thess. 2 was present and being held back at the time Paul wrote the book approx. 50-51 AD, and had to refer to a Jew who would in their time sit in the temple (sanctuary) and act as God. Those events were still future to them, but were about a man that lived in their century.
The mystery was revealed, that God’s purpose was to unite all men under one system, one plan, one Way, one truth, one baptism for one method of salvation / restoration / reconciliation with the Father through His Son, Yeshua (Col. 1:26-27; Eph. 2:11ff). So since that mystery has been revealed, and the plan of salvation set in process which continues on today through the call of the gospel, please tell me what Christ left undone?
Please read the posts It’s Not The End of the World – Part VI: The Zionist & Jesuit Deceit; Testing the Spirits – Part II: The End; Testing the Spirits – Part III: Daniel’s Lot; Daniel and the End Times; and all of the others at this blog. I believe I have addressed all of the points you bring forth in many of these posts.
I will be happy to publicly post and address shorter issues you would like to bring forth on the blog. OR, we can continue to chat privately with longer discussions. Blessings….
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You are making the claim that rome cannot be the whore because she can’t be a whore since she is not in a covenant relationship with the Most High. But that is putting an assumption on the text. There is scripture in jeremiah that show that literal Babylon was described as the same woman in revelation. So if literal Babylon was able to be described in that imagery, then why can’t rome?
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Diego, please read the previous post on the Whore of Babylon. I may have answers in that post for your question.
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